had a bad day on the road!

[Lee]

dong 85 in a 60 and a van tucked away in a lay by :cry:

probably get a letter through the post next week

is it a 3 or 6 point offence?

another question

the 'incident safety vans' or whatever they are, a ford galaxy or something with tinted windows and a camera in the rear.

can the record offences while they are travelling or are they a static unit?

thanks

Lee

[p 5ary]

Lee if it was hidden get back and take a photo pronto, the object of speed cameras are to "prevent speeding, not catch you speeding" (yeah right :evil: ). if you appeal it, often they will cancel it for you!

im 99% sure they need to be static

[gsi]

and just the 3 points & £60 :)

[Dare2Fail]

I was reading a week or two back that a lot of people are sending a letter with the NIP and charges are being dropped. The argument goes along the lines that for the photograph to be used as evidence in a court of law then they must read you your rights at the time the photo was taken, if they don't then it is not permissable as evidence. If they did read you your rights then you have the right not to incrimate yourself and therefore can refuse to tell them who was driving....a win/win for drivers. Not sure about the specifics as my memory is getting a little sketchy these days, but you may want to look around as it seemed to have a very high success rate.

Good luck.

[exdos]

Dare2fail,

You are right on that info. It's all to do with the fact that you haven't received a caution prior to the NIP. If the cops actually stop you at the side of the road, they will say "You do not have to say anything but if you do etc............" this is the "caution" so if all you receive is a NIP in the post you haven't had the caution. The coppers have been getting away with murder for years on this, but the public is now learning to fight back, since most of us consider speeding fines to be just another form of taxationj. :!: :twisted:

[coupe fan]

Laser cannot be used in a moving vehicle, or in heavy rain, snow or fog, or through glass. Any of above gives you a case for getting ticket cancelled. Can be used at night.

The rules for use of mobile speed camera vans state that it is illegal for them to be parked in places where it is illegal to park for the purposes of carrying out their work e.g. double yellow lines, motorway hard shoulders and even on the pavement.

The Government criteria which are supposed to be followed when locating mobile speed cameras are
at least killed or serious injury collisions per km in the last 3 years
at least 4 personal injury collisions in the last 3 years and
the collisions must be evenly distributed along a route
at least 20% of drivers are exceeding the speed limit (excluding periods of congestion)
This information can be obtained

Speed camera warning and speed limit reminder signs must be placed in advance of mobile speed cameras, ideally at the beginning of a targeted route.

Very complex subject - suggest you invest in The Driver's Survival Handbook by Martin Thwaite + Guerrilla Speed Camera Tactics from
www.streetwisepublications.co.uk
Will also help you through the prosecution process and ways of getting case thrown out.

Ultimately, get a laser diffuser fitted which results in their laser reader giving them an error reading.

[exdos]

There are a host of technicalities which can be used to defeat a motoring prosecution. However, I was discussing the subject of motorists defeating prosecutions by using technicalities with a magistrate I know. She told me that when she's been sitting on "the bench" she has never found in favour of a motorist using a technicality to defeat the prosecution :!:

The problem with magistrates is that they are invariably middle-aged, middle-class, well-meaning folk who feel that they are being public-spirited and that they are helping the police prosecute wrong-doers. Since magistrates sit as a committeee of 3 persons, there is a tendency for them to act as a lynch-mob and dole out fines and punishments rather than consider the intellectual niceties of the law and its correct interpretation. As such, many motorists are incorrectly found guilty be these incompetent amateur "judges" because they are merely playing the part of government puppets in the judicial system. It sometimes takes a very aggreived individual to take a bad magistrates' decision to Appeal, and succeed, which then highlights how hundreds, if not thousands, of other motorists have been wrongly convicted for a similar offence. There must have been hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of bad magistrates decisions in relation to motoring "offences".

How I laughed when my magistrate friend got caught speeding a few weeks ago :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[coupe fan]

Not just technicalities but requesting information to help you defend your case - Northampton Police vs Martin Smith - stopped for speeding - summons received. He wrote to Northampton police central ticket office asking for:
Name of operator of camera,
sight of all current training and procedure certificates for said officer,
provision of identification of actual equipment used to record alleged offence,
all maintenance and calibration records for the identified equipment,
proper documentation that states that all calibration procedures for the actual site have been actioned accordingly and noted by both the equipment operator and Traffic Car driver,
identification of exact location of equipment used to record alleged offence,
proof that vehicle named was isolated in field of view and not 'shadowed' by any other vehicle,
copies of actual photos of alleged offence,
documentation that the site used was totally suitable for this type of equipment and free from any type of contamination,
proof that the site used fulfills any guidelines set down in legislation i.e. length of site, 8 or more injury accidents in prededing 3 years etc
proof that the 85th percentile speed was greater than the ACPO guidelines
copy of the force's procedures for the use of radar.

Northanpton CTO wrote back saying case would be adjourned as CPS are the only people who can request camera operator to be present in court to give evidence on the queries.

He sent all correspondence onto CPS + magistrates court.

Case adjourned twice whilst prosecution gathered the evidence.

Finally, letter from CPS stating that they were discontinuing charges due to 'not enough evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction' which I read as 'life is too short for all this grief you are giving us'.
You can beat them but you have to be prepared to work at it.

Exdos, slightly similarly to your magistrate friend's woes, a good friend of mine (who is 'careful' with his money) laughed his head off when I spent £365 getting a radar/gatso 'detector' hardwired into my car 2 years ago.
He then proceeded to get caught 4 times by gatsos over 18 months leading to 4 fines and a 6 month ban last June. And he still won't buy one :!: :shock:
It has be said that he didn't challenge any of the charges (bonkers) and only asked for advice when the final case came up (too embarrassed).

[Lee]

thanks for all of the info!

[p 5ary]

well lee, did anyhting come through the door? :(

[Lee]

well lee, did anyhting come through the door? :(

sorry I have not replied, been away and only just noticed this

Nothing as yet!

how long have they got to get the notification out in the post?

[Neil_M]

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[Bena2]

I have replied twice saying i was not sure who the driver was and believed it was a friend in Honk Kong. Have never heard back for either ticket..

[BEN]

I have replied twice saying i was not sure who the driver was and believed it was a friend in Honk Kong. Have never heard back for either ticket..

do be fare they are probably trying to find honk kong on the map!

[jamesk]

'the 'incident safety vans' or whatever they are, a ford galaxy or something with tinted windows and a camera in the rear.

can the record offences while they are travelling or are they a static unit?'


Our saftety vans in sheffield have to be highly visible with markings telling us they are. you sure it wasn't a road tax van as they aren't.

[Rags]

'the 'incident safety vans' or whatever they are, a ford galaxy or something with tinted windows and a camera in the rear.

can the record offences while they are travelling or are they a static unit?'


Our saftety vans in sheffield have to be highly visible with markings telling us they are. you sure it wasn't a road tax van as they aren't.

Wasn't me officer, honest :lol: