Anyone else warming to the looks of the Z4M Coupe?

[Lee]

especially in Imola :!:

itd just those wheels :x but with a set of CSL, bbs LM or BBS CH it will look fantastic!

my only concern is that if they sell loads then it will not be a special sight as the Z3m!

[exdos]

I popped into my local BMW stealership a week ago and there were 2 Z4 Coupes (non-M) parked outside. I could happily walk past them without looking back. They just look too familiar, and the M version will not stand out as special.

OTOH, from the photos I've see of the Z4 MC in race trim, those are real head-turners.

[chippy]

This one looks nice with factory side skirts and CSL wheels 8)

http://www.bm3w.co.uk/ug/data/500/MCPIC1.jpg
http://www.bm3w.co.uk/ug/data/500/MCPIC4.jpg
http://www.bm3w.co.uk/ug/data/500/MCPIC6.jpg

[Forever_Driving]

yeah that does look nice,

Those drilled discs look tasty too.

[Lee]

IN MY OPINION that looks beautiful

[Greenbat]

Yeah I am warming up slowly, I think colour is very important. The imola and silver are yet to move me but this blue with the csl wheel looks the part

Greenbat

[BEN]

im telling you interlagos and the CSL wheels are the way to go!

[Manic]

It's really growing on me too!

Ben, I also thought Interlagos was the way to go, but then I saw Ruby Black. Wow! :D

[Neil_M]

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[THE ANIMAL]

Now if it looked like this id have bought one no hands barred straight away.

http://site.voila.fr/cemeavalma03/test24h/z4_3744.jpg

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/8639/rb39hp.jpg

Just realized an old friend is driving the thing basted.

[BEN]

has anyone noticed the big arse radio aerial on the left rear corner!
i dont get that even my old e36 had it build into the rear window, or they could have put that cool shark aerial on it!

[c_w]

Having gone to the Motor Show and had the oppertumity to look round it, It still doesn't do anything for me. It's not a memorable shape (looks just like ant other coupe and little difference from a Z4 coupe), the interior isn't anything special (looks simular to an X3 or 3 Series saloon interior).

In conclusion the only feature that appeals is the drivetrain, but placed into something as memorable as a Z3MC. Ask yourself would you turn round for one last look before you close the garage door or as you walk away from the Z4MC :?:

My Answer - No, but I do with my Z3MC more often than not. :D 8)

I think it takes a very striking looking car to stand out at a motor show, those that look great on the road might look average in a show.

I think this looks great! http://www.bm3w.co.uk/ug/data/500/MCPIC1.jpg

[Neil_M]

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[ron burgandy]

i am loving it in that colour! i wonder if it will have the V8 engine out of the new M3 in years to come, then it would be very tasty :P

[THE ANIMAL]

That’s there mistake they should have put that engine in from the beginning.

[chippy]

That’s there mistake they should have put that engine in from the beginning.

Usual manufacturer ploy. Shift as many units as you can with an old engine design as people will buy because its a new model. Then generate more sales at a later date by offering the car with the 'new improved' engine layout. :roll:

[chippy]

Same wheels but grey this time 8)
http://www.bm3w.co.uk/ug/data/500/BMWZ4MC2_0071.jpg

[Lee]

I can see these becomming the un official upgrade option wheel for the Z4 MC!

I will have to look at some 19" BBS LMs 8)

[dalecan]

Drove behind a 3.0 Z4 coupe on the M4 yesterday (in my 1.3 clio :oops: ) and did find the back end rather pleasing to look at. When I got home later that day a Z4 MCoupe drove past me. It looked just the same as the 3.0 except for four tailpipes sticking out the back. How disapointing :?

It is a nice car, but the M version is too similar to the ordinary version.

[Neil_M]

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[BEN]

also the fact that they never sold the 2.8 coupe here made it stand out even more!

[ever88]

I like my Z3 M coupe but have to say I would welcome the Z4 derivative on my drive any day.

If they make limited numbers as others say I'm sure this would get the same cred.

[Martin]

Personally, i love it, but not as much as my Z3. It is not so special as it has not got the same history.

[Cheburator]

There is a rumour doing the rounds that the Z4M production will stop at year end. Something to do with sales being rather flat, BMW not keen on continuing to produce the S54 for just one model etc... Which I suppose could be a good thing for owners... As with regards to the Z3M being rare - that's true but only in the UK - try Europe where you have the 2.8, the 3.0 and the M versions of the breadvan...

[don.juan]

There is a rumour doing the rounds that the Z4M production will stop at year end. Something to do with sales being rather flat, BMW not keen on continuing to produce the S54 for just one model etc... Which I suppose could be a good thing for owners... As with regards to the Z3M being rare - that's true but only in the UK - try Europe where you have the 2.8, the 3.0 and the M versions of the breadvan...

It is still rare in Europe. Of the M version, 281 is the official count. I'm from Portugal and I've been looking for one for almost two years and including europe and just now I've found one, in Italia, that I will see on the 16th and 17th of April...of course that during my seach, I've found a few more but not many...maybe 7 or 8 for sale...but none in Portugal (there may be two or there S54 here and one or two are already imported cars).

[David1975]

I think it takes a very striking looking car to stand out at a motor show, those that look great on the road might look average in a show.


I wasn't comparing the Z4MC to any of the other outstanding cars at the show. I saw it in daylight and was comparing it to the Z3MC only. Istand by my view that it is not special enough in any way for me to want to own one, mostly I not swayed by what I consider an average design.

When I first saw the Z3MC my first thought and words about it where 'I'm going to have one of those', the only other car I considered in the same way was the 8 Series. I had the choice of an 8 or the MC when I bought mine. 8)

If the choice had been Z4MC or 8 Series the 8 would be sat in the garage now.

I'd still like to put an 8 at the side of the MC, but my other half will only let me have one weekend toy and the MC is it :)

Neil: I totally agree with you regarding the Z4m Coupe just not being special enough. I could never trade the outlandish look of the 3MC for the boring , unimaginative (compared to the 3MC) design.

My first sighting of a 3MC was outside a BMW dealer in London , i did a double take and even turned round at the next roundabout to get another look. It looked out of this world. I have craved one ever since. (it did help that it was in black ;) ). No other car has ever come close to this however i did contemplate going for an 850 as it took me nearly a year to find the "right" BLACK MC.

PS, i think "one last look" as your walking away is part and parcel of MC ownership........isn't it??

[merchpe]

I agree with David 1975 on the one last look as you walk away, did ask if anyone had been lucky enough to trade up to the Z4 M on another thread and it seemed to get quite a frosty reception. I love e types and couple of friends have commented thats what the MC reminds them of the jag. Could be persuaded to swap it for a TVR Sagaris, I think they look stunning.

[dendeman]

Sales are apparently very poor for the UK (at least in the UK) as you can now buy a brand new Z4 M Coupe through BroadSpeed for ~£33k (>£8k discount).

That's one of the biggest discounts I've seen on any new model car, let alone a sports car.

[ascender]

I love the look of the Z4 version, but it doesn't have the same character as the original IMO. Also, I've only seen one M version, but quite a few of the normal ones.

As for the market, it was always going to be niche as its only a 2 seater. Like the original, I can see it being 3 years or so until they find their price and the used market steadies for them.

The hit on values isn't strange though, the same thing happened with the Z3M.

Would love to drive one to see how it compares to the Z3M though.

[c_w]

Sales are apparently very poor for the UK (at least in the UK) as you can now buy a brand new Z4 M Coupe through BroadSpeed for ~£33k (>£8k discount).

That's one of the biggest discounts I've seen on any new model car, let alone a sports car.

That's a relative bargain considering the old 2.8 Z3 cost almost that with options!!

[outrun]

Well I sold my z3m about a year ago because of running cost issues with such crazy warranty costs and since I was too cheap to renew the warranty I was convinced that this would mean another Vanos issue. It was also nowhere near as fast as the quoted figures or as well balanced.

For me the z3M was about being different but the M performance and reliability was not what it should have been.

I'm getting my z4M in mid June and after having driven one, the performance, balance and handling are far far better. A trip to the Nurburgring last September told it's own story when I noticed the tuition cars are all z4ms.

Sure the prices are there to negotiate - I got about 15% off list - but most cars these days will take a hammering so might as well lose money on an interesting car !!

Anyway I don't miss the z3m now that the modern alternative is on the way. Sometimes people just are a little rose tinted. I mean have a look all the various technical issues that z3m owners have on this forum. Still doen't stop most from coveting their car but it really should. The vanos issues, service costs, warranty costs etc etc should tell you that build quality and reliability are very poor for such a valuable car.

I really hope my new car doesn't give any of the issues that the old one did and i expect that since BMW have been building the s54 engine for 7 years now, they have resolved any major issues.

We'll see.

Definately getting some BBS CH or similar though because the new wheels are very ordinary and let the car down !

[ron burgandy]

i do like the look of the z4m and will be trading up in two years time, ideally will be a steel grey with red interior and sat nav. i will find hard to part with the z3m, since it was the only car i have wanted since i could drive, but it will be 10 years old by then and i think it will be dated, but my dad said he will buy it and stick it in the garage with the rest of his collection so i can hopefully drive it from time to time.
what do people think they will be going for in two years time if they are around 23k-25k then i think they will be a cracking buy.

chris

[manty]

Anyway I don't miss the z3m now that the modern alternative is on the way. Sometimes people just are a little rose tinted. I mean have a look all the various technical issues that z3m owners have on this forum. Still doen't stop most from coveting their car but it really should. The vanos issues, service costs, warranty costs etc etc should tell you that build quality and reliability are very poor for such a valuable car.


Definately getting some BBS CH or similar though because the new wheels are very ordinary and let the car down !

I think its enthusiasm more than anything else, i havnt come across many major cost issues except Flying Saucers Engine, most have been cheap fixes that we tend to want to do ourselves rather than take to the Garage.


I like the Z4M Coupe, shame they didnt just make the Coupe in M format.

I'm sure you'll love yours, I must say If I buy one, i'll go for white

[sonu_anand]

' A trip to the Nurburgring last September told it's own story when I noticed the tuition cars are all z4ms. '

Is this not just marketing by BMW? - What other model can they use currently?

The Z4M may be a great car, but don't slate the Z3M just cos you've moved on. I've had my Z3M for nearly 7 years and have had no major problems with it.

Think I'll need to test drive the Z4M, see if it gives the same 'driver feedback' as the Z3M...

[c_w]

Well I sold my z3m about a year ago because of running cost issues with such crazy warranty costs and since I was too cheap to renew the warranty I was convinced that this would mean another Vanos issue. It was also nowhere near as fast as the quoted figures or as well balanced.

For me the z3M was about being different but the M performance and reliability was not what it should have been.

Anyway I don't miss the z3m now that the modern alternative is on the way. Sometimes people just are a little rose tinted. I mean have a look all the various technical issues that z3m owners have on this forum. Still doen't stop most from coveting their car but it really should. The vanos issues, service costs, warranty costs etc etc should tell you that build quality and reliability are very poor for such a valuable car.

I really hope my new car doesn't give any of the issues that the old one did and i expect that since BMW have been building the s54 engine for 7 years now, they have resolved any major issues.

We'll see.

Definately getting some BBS CH or similar though because the new wheels are very ordinary and let the car down !

I agree about the handling as standard but I think you miss the point regards reliability, if you bought any near-10 year old car it might need some maintenance let alone a specialist car and some of the earlier Z3Ms are nearly 10 years old now.

Looking on the technical section there isn't a great deal of major issues that I can see, apart from the often misunderstood VANOS issue and loose seats! I'm sure any other car forum is the same, if the online community is small for a certain car (which Z4Ms will be, mainly because they're under warranty) then the technical issues will appear small (not to mention they are new cars)

I feel the problem is that those who feel they have to pay the waranty price look at this as a running cost, and when you have a warranty a BMW dealer WILL look for any slight faults that might or might not be there and be all too willing to spend £££ on it - they get paid for it - scaring you in the process if you hadn't had it.

[ian]

Just followed and overtook a Z4 coupe this pm. There is no real comparison with the Z3MC - if your considering a Z4 you might as well have a 3 series with the extra seats.

Z3MC is awsum, end of.

[markolambo]

Z4M coupe is uninspiring and has no passion about it.

I intend to keep my coupe for ever, similar to my Toyota Supra TT which I bought from new in 1993. I think they will be future classics and I have the Garage space.

I would like to buy TVR sagaris in a couple of years when the prices come down and keep that rather than the Z4M

People do harp on about the running costs of the Z3mcoupe, maintenance but in reality if you want to be scottish about things buy a Toyota Corolla and a purse.

[coupe fan]

Well I sold my z3m about a year ago because of running cost issues with such crazy warranty costs and since I was too cheap to renew the warranty I was convinced that this would mean another Vanos issue. It was also nowhere near as fast as the quoted figures or as well balanced.

For me the z3M was about being different but the M performance and reliability was not what it should have been.

I'm getting my z4M in mid June and after having driven one, the performance, balance and handling are far far better. A trip to the Nurburgring last September told it's own story when I noticed the tuition cars are all z4ms.

Sure the prices are there to negotiate - I got about 15% off list - but most cars these days will take a hammering so might as well lose money on an interesting car !!

Anyway I don't miss the z3m now that the modern alternative is on the way. Sometimes people just are a little rose tinted. I mean have a look all the various technical issues that z3m owners have on this forum. Still doen't stop most from coveting their car but it really should. The vanos issues, service costs, warranty costs etc etc should tell you that build quality and reliability are very poor for such a valuable car.

I really hope my new car doesn't give any of the issues that the old one did and i expect that since BMW have been building the s54 engine for 7 years now, they have resolved any major issues.

We'll see.

Definately getting some BBS CH or similar though because the new wheels are very ordinary and let the car down !

You haven't specified any 'running cost issues'.

'with such crazy warranty costs and since I was too cheap to renew the warranty I was convinced that this would mean another Vanos issue'
Sorry but this doesn't make sense. You were not prepared to pay for warranty renewal and therefore assumed that the Vanos would fail???

'It was also nowhere near as fast as the quoted figures' - rubbish, as virtually every owner will testify.

'the M performance and reliability was not what it should have been'.
again, absolute rubbish - the performance is what BMW said it would be. In fact, some magazine tests said the performance was better than the official figures.
Reliability - what went wrong with your car exactly?

'A trip to the Nurburgring last September told it's own story when I noticed the tuition cars are all z4ms' - sonu_anand has covered this point very well. I find it difficult to believe that someone can honestly believe that a small fleet purchase for instructors denotes a guarantee of performance. And as it's a relatively new car, they can't possibly know how reliable it will be over a period of time.
What it MAY show is that BMW have a special relationship with the Nurburgring and virtually gave the cars away for promotional/advertising purposes.

'I got about 15% off list'
You were robbed - see other posts on current discounts.

'but most cars these days will take a hammering so might as well lose money on an interesting car !!'
Pity you didn't buy one.

'I mean have a look all the various technical issues that z3m owners have on this forum'
Most owners, over time have niggles with any car. On this forum, they are aired for discussion, and you should have noticed that straightforward solutions have been found for the vast majority.

'I really hope my new car doesn't give any of the issues that the old one did

We'll see.'
You said it.

[///Juttla]

Well said Coupe Fan!!!