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  • #31
    Cheers for the info Exdos - zero toe, noted

    I've got the car booked in at http://www.tracktorque.co.uk/ because I know bugger all about setting up a car (bikes I'm happy to play around with). I've got a copy of the ACS recommended setup for reference but will have a chat to them about finding the right setup. Thanks again.

    They've a lovely little Mk1 Lotus Cortina for sale (http://www.tracktorque.co.uk/sale.php). Wonder if I could wangle that as a courtesy car for the day

    Oh, and yeah... it feels very much like the Wild Mouse at Blackpool
    Last edited by Fat Tony; 09-01-2012, 10:37 AM.
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    2000 S50 Titanium Silver / Black
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    Simota carbon air intake | Strong Strut Front Brace

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    • #32
      Originally posted by exdos View Post
      Not even that much. Nearer to -1.5 degrees.
      Ah, I thought that you quoted -2.5 in another thread, my mistake!!
      2000 Cosmos Black S50, Kyalami/Black interior, KW V3s, H&R ARBs, Supersprint exhausts, Apex ARC8s.
      1996 Dark Aubergine Escort Cosworth Lux with leather, GGR 305 chipped, GGR/Koni suspension, Black Diamond discs.
      2008 Orange/Black Westfield Megabusa, FW rear, Widetrack/Nitron Suspension, AP/Westfield 4 pots.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Fat Tony View Post

        They've a lovely little Mk1 Lotus Cortina for sale (http://www.tracktorque.co.uk/sale.php). Wonder if I could wangle that as a courtesy car for the day
        Believe it or not, a Mk1 Lotus Cortina, registration BN 196, determined my future path in life (and it's been nothing to do with cars) way back in the 1960s!
        /// Exdos ///
        "Men who try the impossible and fail spectacularly are infinitely superior to those who reach for nothing and succeed" --Napoleon Bonapart

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        • #34
          I've had my top mounts swapped for a few years now, and my Goodyear tyres are show some signs of wear on the inner (it has to eventually with this amount of camber) but after 3 years they're still looking good. As already said the tracking makes a big difference; always get it set parallel so it minimises scrub.

          I would say for what you're doing the top mount swap will probably fit the bill to try and keep the tops in; it really isn't *that* excessive and yes tramlining is increased a bit over stock but it's not that bad either (but then a big, wide wheel won't help the cause either! (I only run 17s))

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          • #35
            Originally posted by c_w View Post
            I've had my top mounts swapped for a few years now, and my Goodyear tyres are show some signs of wear on the inner (it has to eventually with this amount of camber) but after 3 years they're still looking good. As already said the tracking makes a big difference; always get it set parallel so it minimises scrub.

            I would say for what you're doing the top mount swap will probably fit the bill to try and keep the tops in; it really isn't *that* excessive and yes tramlining is increased a bit over stock but it's not that bad either (but then a big, wide wheel won't help the cause either! (I only run 17s))
            Whats your toe setting?

            I have some issues with inner wear at 3 deg. neg camber, swapped mounts, toe slightly closed. Will make a photo, but one year old tires have 0mm - 3mm - 3.5mm - 3.5mm - 2mm inner to outer thread left after app.8000 km. The innermost edge is gone with thread

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            • #36
              As said parellel/0 toe. 5000miles is not bad mileage and if the rest of the tyre is about 3mm that's not too bad I'd say; it's if the tyre still has 5mm and wearing out the shoulders is a problem. I'd get the tracking set/checked to zero though anyway.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by c_w View Post
                5000miles is not bad mileage ...
                Thanks, I feel a bit better now

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                • #38
                  Good if you use the car as a weekend toy hehe, perhaps not if it's a daily, but then this kind of camber is not really practical on a daily motorway drive!!

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                  • #39
                    I had the top mounts swapped back to their OE positions and the geometry set up yesterday to suit my more general use of the car (renewing a couple of front bushes while doing so). Fingers crossed that this mild weather continues and I get to try it out at weekend, though I suppose I should get some tyres sorted first... I hadn't realised just how unevenly they'd worn, with close to 6mm tread across the tyre, yet down to canvas in places on the innermost edge

                    Speaking of which, I'm considering trying the Falken 452s out based on generally good reviews on here. However my rear wheels are fitted with 285/30/18 (recommended fit from AC Schnitzer UK) - a size that doesn't seem to be available in the 452. Would I be better going for Falken's 285/35/18 or Schnitzer's other recommended size of 265/35/18?

                    Fronts are 245/40/18, if that makes a difference?
                    Last edited by Fat Tony; 11-01-2012, 10:52 AM.
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                    • #40
                      These seem a bit big. For general driving on 18" wheels I would recommend you 225/40 and 255/35. Bigger tires are in most cases just worse in most aspects (weight, wear, comfortness, aquaplane-resistance...).

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                      • #41
                        As I say, all those sizes (apart from the 285/35/18) are the recommend fit from Schnitzer for my Type III rims and their road suspension kit, but I know little about deviating from recommended sizes

                        The 285s fill the rear arches perfectly with the 10mm spacers that are recommended by Schnitzer, so I'm a little reluctant to lose width and have to buy wider spacers, bolts and locks again. I've only recently bought them after spotting that a previous owner had removed them
                        Last edited by Fat Tony; 11-01-2012, 12:34 PM.
                        Not actually in the least bit fat

                        2000 S50 Titanium Silver / Black
                        ACS Suspension, Exhaust & Type III Wheels
                        Simota carbon air intake | Strong Strut Front Brace

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Fat Tony View Post
                          I had the top mounts swapped back to their OE positions and the geometry set up yesterday to suit my more general use of the car (renewing a couple of front bushes while doing so). Fingers crossed that this mild weather continues and I get to try it out at weekend, though I suppose I should get some tyres sorted first... I hadn't realised just how unevenly they'd worn, with close to 6mm tread across the tyre, yet down to canvas in places on the innermost edge

                          Speaking of which, I'm considering trying the Falken 452s out based on generally good reviews on here. However my rear wheels are fitted with 285/30/18 (recommended fit from AC Schnitzer UK) - a size that doesn't seem to be available in the 452. Would I be better going for Falken's 285/35/18 or Schnitzer's other recommended size of 265/35/18?

                          Fronts are 245/40/18, if that makes a difference?
                          Was the tracking done when the mounts were originally swapped over, as it would creat uneven wear and as said you need to run parallel to minimise scrub which is exaggerated with neg camber due to ehe tyre rolling more on the inside.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by c_w View Post
                            Was the tracking done when the mounts were originally swapped over, as it would creat uneven wear and as said you need to run parallel to minimise scrub which is exaggerated with neg camber due to ehe tyre rolling more on the inside.
                            I don't know if whoever swapped them over before my ownership did, but you'd have thought that anybody that went to the bother of swapping them over would have the sense to get the geometry checked.

                            The setup wasn't measured prior to swapping the mounts over yesterday, other than manually measuring the negative camber which the guys at Tracktorque agreed was excessive for my particular use of the car.

                            I'll see how it goes. Can always swap them back again if I'm not happy with the results.

                            I'll also be interested to see if the intermittent shaking through the steering wheel on braking improves now that the tyres are sitting more squarely with the road. I've been blaming it on the EBC disks but maybe the setup had something to do with this too.
                            Last edited by Fat Tony; 11-01-2012, 12:32 PM.
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                            ACS Suspension, Exhaust & Type III Wheels
                            Simota carbon air intake | Strong Strut Front Brace

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                            • #44
                              I would say def the discs/brakes that will be causing that.

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                              • #45
                                Yes, I suspect so. Just me living in hope
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