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Old 08-11-2009, 02:48 PM
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Hi guys.

Felt I should introduce myself before posting noob type questions all over the forum...

My name is Keith and I'm a 26 yr old Engineer at Heathrow. I've been driving BMWs since my first car (E36 328) and have driven them ever since (3/4 cars). I now drive a low mileage 2003 330 Clubsport, which I absolutely cherish, and do pretty much all the work on myself, unless it requires a stamp in the book to retain its value. I could not imagine being in another Marque tbh. BMW ticks all the boxes for me; poise, balance, build and performance. I've bought some fairly average BMWs in the past, but I'm not shy to invest time and money, and have sold them on as mint examples. I'm quite proud to say that my CS wants for nothing, cosmetically or maintenance wise as we are. I'm a little OCD and must address everything. I know ///Ms need this more than most. I'll post up some pictures of the CS if anybody cares...

The ///M scratch must be itched soon, and the Z3M Coupe has intrigued me since release. An obvious choice for me would be an E46 M3... They are very good cars with a healthy practicality argument... But sod that. I want a drivers car.

So the search is on. I'm in no rush (unless the perfect car came along...), and have a relaxed attitude that I'm happy to stay in the Clubsport for up to another 18 months, whilst I keep my eye out for the perfect Z3MC. Condition is more important than spec, but an S54 is a big criteria, although I could be tempted by the right S50... I'm here to refine my conceptions.

I've learnt about the spot weld issue, and am well acquainted with the vanos issues through my close association with my home forum (e36coupe), and familiarity with the E36 Evo. I'm also fairly prolific on e46zone too, and must say I do love a good forum... I trust this little online community will be as tight and have a good vibe just like my other two.

Looking forward to spending some time here, and please be patient with me if I have to ask the odd dumb question or do not make full use of the search facility from time to time. I really do want to join you lot in ownership.

Cheers guys,

Keith
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:59 PM
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Welcome Keith,
"poise, balance, build and performance" - very well put although I have never been quite sure what poise means. The more times you say it to yourself the more confusing it becomes.

The E46 M3 is great if you have brats but if you don't then why have 4 seats and an inconvenient interior layout?

It sounds like you have already made your mind up to buy a Z3MC. Work out what you want colour/S54orS50/mileage etc then keep watching here and pistonheads until the right car turns up. It may take numerous months. If you have the patience then it will be worth it.

Best of luck.
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Old 09-11-2009, 09:34 AM
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Welcome Keith and good luck with your search!

Being a member of other larger forums, it's nice sometimes to just come in here for a bit of 'R&R'!!!!
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:45 AM
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Thanks for the welcome guys. Yes patient is what I'll have to be, but thats no worry. It takes time to find the perfect car, especially when they are as rare as these.

@Coupe Fan - 'Poise' for me is the way a car behaves itself on the road, the way it conducts itself and holds the tarmac. I love the way a BMW feels to drive; they always seem to nail it. The only time one doesn't IMO is when they fall into the hands of people that would rather tint thier lights than see to their bushes

Some very interesting topics on here regarding prices. From wht I can tell prices are all over at the moment - it seems every now and then, a decent S54 will come up for as little as £12k+, whilst there are early S50s up for that too. I guess the ZMCs are sensitive to condition & mileage. As I have time on my side, I'll jut try to keep an ear to the ground and spend some time watching the market. Shame is, that I guess you have to be quick - new ones don't seem to become available all that often, and if they do at a fair price, they no doubt get snapped up fairly quickly!

The first serious contenter for my attention, or at least a viewing, is one local that my friend from another forum has suggested to look at; he knows the seller and vouches for its condition. Its a 1998, although it is apparently very clean, 60k, and a new vanos 9k ago. Its up for £11.5k which initially I thought might be a little much for a 1998, but if its clean and has the new vanos, would you guys say that is worth a look? It was advertised at a higher price before, and has been for sale for abour 6 weeks iirc. Is there any reason why I shouldn't go for an early model if the price/spec is right? I ask as coming from the 3 series scene, early E46 models were inferior to the later ones, which had any issues ironed out.

Sorry foor the long noob question *embarrased*

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Keith
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. Is there any reason why I shouldn't go for an early model if the price/spec is right? I ask as coming from the 3 series scene, early E46 models were inferior to the later ones, which had any issues ironed out.
Keith - as far as I know, what with the limited production numbers, 'old school' chassis and the fact that the S50 engine was getting on towards the end of its life when the first MCs were coming out, there are few significant differences between early and late S50 models. Albeit with a few seemingly random changes in switch layout!

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Old 09-11-2009, 03:05 PM
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Thanks for that clarification.

Do you know if there were any chassis or other updated components on the S54s?

The more I think about it, the more certain I am an S54 is the only model I could live with. Reason being, realistically, it will be a low mileage daily (I do about 8k a year), and going from a E46 cabin with all the toys to what is essentially an E36 cabin (sorry boys!) is one thing, but then having the constant worry of a tired S50 would be a little too much I think.

Part of the reason I am overjoyed with my 330, is that it's so smooth, I've addressed everything mechanically/maintenance wise and its low mileage, so I never worry about it. Stepping up to a performance car thats 5 years older, and with potential mechanical worry would be difficult.

Just to clarify; I know these cars are not bought for practicality or smooth running, but a later S54 would at least put to bed some of those worries. I have £11500 now, so I think I had better save up for another year. I think I'll need about £14-£16k to get that kind of S54 I want...
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good luck with the search

i wouldnt discount the s50 you might miss a cracker
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Hi guys.

Felt I should introduce myself before posting noob type questions all over the forum...

My name is Keith and I'm a 26 yr old Engineer at Heathrow. I've been driving BMWs since my first car (E36 328) and have driven them ever since (3/4 cars). I now drive a low mileage 2003 330 Clubsport, which I absolutely cherish, and do pretty much all the work on myself, unless it requires a stamp in the book to retain its value. I could not imagine being in another Marque tbh. BMW ticks all the boxes for me; poise, balance, build and performance. I've bought some fairly average BMWs in the past, but I'm not shy to invest time and money, and have sold them on as mint examples. I'm quite proud to say that my CS wants for nothing, cosmetically or maintenance wise as we are. I'm a little OCD and must address everything. I know ///Ms need this more than most. I'll post up some pictures of the CS if anybody cares...

The ///M scratch must be itched soon, and the Z3M Coupe has intrigued me since release. An obvious choice for me would be an E46 M3... They are very good cars with a healthy practicality argument... But sod that. I want a drivers car.

So the search is on. I'm in no rush (unless the perfect car came along...), and have a relaxed attitude that I'm happy to stay in the Clubsport for up to another 18 months, whilst I keep my eye out for the perfect Z3MC. Condition is more important than spec, but an S54 is a big criteria, although I could be tempted by the right S50... I'm here to refine my conceptions.

I've learnt about the spot weld issue, and am well acquainted with the vanos issues through my close association with my home forum (e36coupe), and familiarity with the E36 Evo. I'm also fairly prolific on e46zone too, and must say I do love a good forum... I trust this little online community will be as tight and have a good vibe just like my other two.

Looking forward to spending some time here, and please be patient with me if I have to ask the odd dumb question or do not make full use of the search facility from time to time. I really do want to join you lot in ownership.

Cheers guys,

Keith
Hello Keith,

All i can say is that you have come to the right place.........

I was in your shoes a few months ago and the Forum members have been very patient and supportive and most importantly helpful to me. Like you i have been looking for a good S54 and its a bit like girls, the harder you look the less good examples you see.....

Its almost impossible to have a laid back approach to finding a good one, you think your the first to see it but 10 others have beaten you to your quarry...!

You have the benefit that i havent, you know cars and engines. In the end my luck changed and my ship came in and i got a beautiful Steel Grey S54 at the weekend from a BMW dealership.....Sure you pay a little over the odds but realistically i was never going to hand over £15/16k on someones driveway so spent £18k but actually feel very fortunate and dont feel ripped off in the slightest.

I would say forget about getting a bargain because everyone on this site knows each other and knows each others cars. Save up, keep your eyes peeled 24/7 and be prepared to throw a sicky to be the first to the post....
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Hello Keith,

All i can say is that you have come to the right place.........

I was in your shoes a few months ago and the Forum members have been very patient and supportive and most importantly helpful to me. Like you i have been looking for a good S54 and its a bit like girls, the harder you look the less good examples you see.....

Its almost impossible to have a laid back approach to finding a good one, you think your the first to see it but 10 others have beaten you to your quarry...!

You have the benefit that i havent, you know cars and engines. In the end my luck changed and my ship came in and i got a beautiful Steel Grey S54 at the weekend from a BMW dealership.....Sure you pay a little over the odds but realistically i was never going to hand over £15/16k on someones driveway so spent £18k but actually feel very fortunate and dont feel ripped off in the slightest.

I would say forget about getting a bargain because everyone on this site knows each other and knows each others cars. Save up, keep your eyes peeled 24/7 and be prepared to throw a sicky to be the first to the post....
Thanks for the input mate. You are a very lucky guy - what an S54 you have got yourself! Colour is absolutely stunning.

I'm trying to be patient. My heart says go buy a sweet S50 tomorrow, my head says hold on and save a bit more, and wait for the right S54...

I know all about throwing sickies and waiting for the perfect car... I bought my current 'perfect' car (a limited production, low mileage 330 Clubsport) from North Scotland; I'm in South England. Secured first refusal on the phone, one plane trip and an 8.5 hour drive later, the car was on my drive

My eyes are peeled for the next perfect car ;)
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Patience is a virtue. I spent a considerable time lurking and keeping an eye on the market 5 years ago prior to buying mine. I was convinced my budget at the time would only stretch to a S50. But surprisingly to me I saw an S54 advertised at a BMW dealer (amongst the many I had been watching) suddenly drop £3.5k in price. I drove over to have a look and was smitten. The windscreen sticker still quoted the higher price but I pointed out the dealer website (and autotrader) price and the salesman checked with his stock book and confirmed the lower price. I couldn't believe my luck and put down a deposit.
The following day the sales manager rang to say there had been a mistake in the pricing - effectively a single mistake had rippled through the various computer systems to show a consistent pricing picture everywhere except on the windscreen sticker! He said he couldn't supply the car at the lower price. I stuck to my guns saying we had a contract and eventually they caved.
I was very lucky but by keeping a watching eye you will eventually find the right car. Good hunting!
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