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Old 27-04-2020, 09:24 AM
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Are H&R springs a 30mm drop?
Yes quoted at 30mm but I am not convinced that they drop it that much. I personally would not want to go to the trouble of fitting them and have less drop.

Not sure on prices elsewhere but Autodoc will deliver them for £236. They have the B8s for £586 delivered as well so £822 for the set which seems good value to me
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Old 27-04-2020, 11:02 AM
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I have coilovers on mine (KW v1s) along with ARBs.

I love the look (although itís far too low) and the handling but wish they were more forgiving. Unfortunately I canít get to the adjustment for the rears without pulling the trim apart.

Iím minded to sell these and go to something less track honed as (1) these are probably due a proper refresh as they have been on for a while and (2) the rear top mounts are starting to rattle (or maybe thatís the subframe...).

I assume Iím looking at either the stock setup or Konis (Potentially with lowering springs). What is the preference of the two?
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Old 27-04-2020, 11:08 AM
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Maph, good to know and that's a great price. Unfortunately, they only seem to have the B8 Offroads for sale at the moment.
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Old 27-04-2020, 11:37 AM
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Thatís what I have and Iím perfectly happy with the ride.
I havenít fitted the arbís yet - only been in garage for 3years as Iíve not felt the need yet.
My only issue with the set up is itís just a smidge too high imo. Iíd be happy with a 15-20 mm drop which Bilstein confirmed would be fine with the B6ís in case you ever feel the same.
'Seca, do you have a photo of your car with this setup (B6 and stock springs) just so I can see what the ride height is like?? Still deciding whether to get the Eibachs at the same time, probably will.....
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Old 27-04-2020, 11:59 AM
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I have coilovers on mine (KW v1s) along with ARBs.

I love the look (although it’s far too low) and the handling but wish they were more forgiving. Unfortunately I can’t get to the adjustment for the rears without pulling the trim apart.

I’m minded to sell these and go to something less track honed as (1) these are probably due a proper refresh as they have been on for a while and (2) the rear top mounts are starting to rattle (or maybe that’s the subframe...).

I assume I’m looking at either the stock setup or Konis (Potentially with lowering springs). What is the preference of the two?
That's really interesting, as I was leaning towards V1's or V2's. One of the reasons was that I was hoping they'd have got the damper valving and spring rates properly matched (I also like the full stainless steel construction). I believe the V1's are running 400 lb springs at the front, which doesn't seem overly stiff, but it's very difficult to tell by pure numbers. I can't find any spring rates for the H&R springs as they're only advertised as being progressive.

As an aside, the common combination of B6/B8 with H&R's seems to get a bad response here:

https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...n-sport-shocks

Although admittedly that thread is now quite old, and of course, everyone's opinion is different.

Urquattrogus, I hope you don't mind this discussion on your thread. I'll start another one if it's diverging from yours....
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Old 27-04-2020, 12:53 PM
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That's really interesting, as I was leaning towards V1's or V2's. One of the reasons was that I was hoping they'd have got the damper valving and spring rates properly matched (I also like the full stainless steel construction). I believe the V1's are running 400 lb springs at the front, which doesn't seem overly stiff, but it's very difficult to tell by pure numbers. I can't find any spring rates for the H&R springs as they're only advertised as being progressive.

As an aside, the common combination of B6/B8 with H&R's seems to get a bad response here:

https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...n-sport-shocks

Although admittedly that thread is now quite old, and of course, everyone's opinion is different.

Urquattrogus, I hope you don't mind this discussion on your thread. I'll start another one if it's diverging from yours....
No worries, the more discussion the better, all Grist for the mill etc.

I think the B6 with standard springs or Eibach should be less harsh than with the H&R's or the B8 & H&R.

Eibach springs are designed for standard shocks apparently, and I don't think a bit more travel/float in of the B6 is such a bad thing.

Think is though, apparently some bilstein dampers have changed over the years, and the first e36 ones were overley harsh before they reputedly changed them a little.

I like coilovers but even SS ones get dirty and difficult to adjust, and I think if you got for coilovers its money well spend having someone fit and set them up just right.
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Old 27-04-2020, 01:07 PM
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^^^ If Bilstein have changed their valving over the years, that might explain the difference in the discussion I posted above and some of the more positive comments that have been aired more recently. It's interesting though, that in the discussion linked to, the general consensus seems to be that the H&R springs were too soft for the B6/B8 dampers....

I agree with what you're saying about adjustable coilovers being a bit of a pain. I've found that if I spray a little ACF50 on the PSS10's (Bilstein B16's) on my 993 a couple of times a year they remain problem free. If I did go down the fully adjustable route, I'd take the car to Chris at Centre Gravity to work his magic (although it would probably be overkill for a car with such limited adjustment).
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Old 27-04-2020, 03:45 PM
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Hi
I have had both KW V3 and BC coilovers and I have just bought a set of Bilstein B8 and intrax 30 mm lowering springs.

I havenít fitted them yet but imagine that the ride quality will be greatly improved.

I have also bought new front and rear top mounts and rear spring seats.

Thanks
R
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Old 27-04-2020, 03:46 PM
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Yes quoted at 30mm but I am not convinced that they drop it that much. I personally would not want to go to the trouble of fitting them and have less drop.

Not sure on prices elsewhere but Autodoc will deliver them for £236. They have the B8s for £586 delivered as well so £822 for the set which seems good value to me

Thatís good value and the best price you will get.

Evolve can also supply which is where I got mine.
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Old 27-04-2020, 05:02 PM
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After much head scratching I've decided to go for B6's with H&R springs. I considered the B8's, but the 6's can apparently accommodate up to a 50mm lowering spring, so no,problem with the H&R's. This way I'll have the option to go back to standard springs if need be. I'm not sure if the longer damper stroke will be otherwise beneficial or not?

Still keep eyeing those KW's though.... 😁
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